9 Feet Under: Some Thoughts About Valuing Basements and CellarsPosted by Jonathan Miller - Friday, June 22, 2012, 2:16 PM I’m not sure what’s in the water these days but I am receiving a growing number of emails and calls about the valuation of basement space from real estate agents so I thought I collect my thoughts and cobble together a post to point people to. First, a few definitions for the sake of clarity and in order of depth: At Grade Ground level The valuation of below grade space, whether its a co-op, condo or house uses the same principals we use when appraising outdoor space. I see it as an amenity “add on” because not all properties have them. When appraising, we attempt to establish the value of the above grade space on a per square foot basis. The below grade space, ie a basement or cellar, can be viewed as a portion or percentage of the value of the above grade space – “cents on the dollar”. In other words, the value of basement area is proportional to the value of the residence that sits above it. It’s worth more in a home that is of high value than a home with a lower relative value. “Technically” Below Grade, The “English Basement” Question is it legal to count basement space as part of the sq. footage when selling a town home? This particular house has a 9-ft ceilinged finished basement but no windows. My buyer wants to know for resale purposes. Answer For suburban homes, a traditional basement is below grade and would not be included in overall square footage even if it is finished and has rooms. In NYC brownstones, the same rule applies EXCEPT a basement could be included if it is a few steps below grade in the front and opens at grade in the rear (aka “English Basement”) AND the space has the same finishes, ceiling height as the floor above and includes a key room like a kitchen. If the space isn’t considered the equivalent to living area on the floor above it is NOT included in total sq ft but adjusted for separately. In the case of a brownstone with an “English Basement”, the space below is referred to as a “cellar” and is never included in the sq ft. Condos and Co-ops With Basements Question I’m the sellers broker for a ground floor duplex loft space. We are currently in contract and we marketed the space as a one bed because the lower level is used as just that. The lower level is beneath ground without windows. The appraiser tells me that the C of O for the space calls for the lower level as a recreation space not a bedroom. Should this have a significant impact on the value of the apartment. Can’t is be viewed as loft space, period. Thank you for any insights you may have. Answer Technically, the below grade area shouldn’t be called a “bedroom” and the sqft should not be included in the total sqft in an appraisal. However it contributes value and is handled as a separate line adjustment in the appraisal. The value of the space is usually something less than the ppsf of the ground floor if there was no basement. That applies to room count as well. The logic follows that if this space was a 1st and 2nd floor duplex instead of ground floor + basement, it would be worth more, everything else being equal. I’m not sure about “significant impact” but it makes it worth less than a fully above grade similar sized space. If the selling price is consistent with that relationship of competing properties, then there should be no problem with purchase price. The appraiser problem is really what you are referring to. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do at this point since they have already inspected the property and are impossible to contact. Hopefully it will work out. How Appraisers (Should) Handle It Here’s Fannie Mae’s take (May 2012): Basement Sleeze During Boom The Math (Market Derived) English Basement No adjustment – I’ve never observed an impact on a brownstone’s “English Basement” square footage – it is simply part of the gross building area of the brownstone. That’s all the dirt I can think of. Hope this helps clarify things. [Terra Logic] Understanding The Value of Manhattan Apartment Outdoor Space [Matrix] 4 Responses to 9 Feet Under: Some Thoughts About Valuing Basements and CellarsLeave a Reply |
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Just to add yet another angle to an already exhaustive treatment of this complex topic, I would point out that the NYC Dept. of City Planning’s Zoning Resolution defines a Basement as “a story partly below curb level, with at least one-half of its height (measured from floor to ceiling) above curb level.” A Cellar, on the other hand, is defined as “a space wholly or partly below curb level, with more than one-half its height (measured from floor to ceiling) below curb level.”
This technical distinction in terminology may not carry much weight outside of the Z.R. itself (at least in my experience), but what is significant is that the Zoning Resolution’s definition of “Floor Area” specifically includes basements, but excludes cellars (with the noteworthy exception of cellars that are used for “dwelling purposes” – complicating things yet further).
Just my two cents . . .
I love this post. Would love to link over to it and talk about it when I have the time. Seattle market is crazy busy right now.
Seattle is the first area I have worked in where everyone seems to think finished basement square feet values the same as above ground square feet. Pretty nuts really.
I had an appraiser friend in Bucks County PA who taught me to value the property without “extras”. Extra land, a pool, a tennis court, a finished basement…all being “extras”. Then the value of all combined extras should not exceed 10% of the value without them. Loved that method.
Here in Seattle however the market values these extras as if there is no limit. Actually most of the West Coast does that as the Beach Areas of LA did the same when I worked there.
Sometimes the land values are so high that it still happens to fit into the 10% rule.
Thanks Ardell! – It’s also one of the first amenities to be manipulated during a boom when it comes to qualifying for financing on a refi.
I find it a bit crazy how aggressive Bucks County advertises tourism in NYC. I wonder how many people will commute there for the weekend no matter how beautiful it is?
I took a look at a recent appraisal of a split entry one of my clients bought. The interesting thing is that the homes and all of the comps appraised at time of purchase. But when they pull those same 3 other sales as comps for my sale…not a one of them shows a value equal to or above the sold price.
I guess it’s only worth the sold price…on the day it sells at that price. :)
As to your comment on the aggressive advertising, makes sense to me. They never had to aggressively advertise “come to NYC” in PA, but in reverse I would expect the advertising would need to be fairly aggressive.
I would think dressing up like George Washington
http://www.ushistory.org/washingtoncrossing/reenactment/index.htm
to re-enact Crossing the Delaware at Christmas would be a pretty hard sell. :)
Reminds me of our friend Joe Ferrara whom I always think of this time of year. He lived in Washington Crossing. I lived in Newtown Borough.